As you can see, in the section of navigation through seasons I added "Season 8|Eight".
But there's no changes on the visual part. Need Info-box on a page or what?
I think NOW we're good. I've been marked the most popular ones, also from this tab you can go to the full episode list (either you can go to the each season page where we're already have a very convenient and pretty descriptive eps-navigation).
I'd like for the wiki to remain "in universe" versus "real world"... so that for example, we wouldn't start off episode pages with a blurb like this: ""Charlie Has Cancer" is the fourth episode of the first season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia." The thinking here is that the sentence takes the reader out of the Sunny universe, and highlights that the world is a fictional one. We already cover that in the episode box that appears on each page?
In a similar vein, maybe we could move lines like this into a new character infobox? "Dennis is portrayed by Glenn Howerton."
I tend to disagree with this. That information is very helpful for search results, and Google bots usually skip over infoboxes more frequently than they do written out sentences.
Also, the people who will be coming across our site will not be expecting a 100% in-universe resource. Some topics work well with in-universe approaches (science fiction, for example) but Sunny is just a sitcom - no need to take it or the wiki too seriously. Plus, some real-world information can be even more interesting than in-universe. (After I wrote the Charlie Day article and included the fact that he's married to Mary Elizabeth Ellis, reddit picked it up for an TIL which got us 60k pageviews in one day.)
The rest of the articles - episode synopsis, character bios, etc. should be mostly in-universe, but I strongly believe that we should leave "Trivia" sections and the intro sentences.
Didn't mean to suggest that we would cut out Trivia sections, or actor pages. I was focusing on character and episode pages, per my examples.
Was intrigued by your reference to Google bots. Does this sentence helps with Google results? "Charlie Has Cancer" is the fourth episode of the first season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia." Personally, I would prefer to leave that info in the infobox, because it pulls the reader right out of the world of Sunny and reminds them that none of this is real. Would love to hear your thoughts on the opening sentence.
That italicized sentence is important for Google results. And as I said before, nobody thinks the events that occur in Sunny are real so we shouldn't build the wiki that way.
Do we just have different visions for this wiki? I'm noticing that you're using all the wiki conventions you developed over at the Scrubs wiki. I'd like to build our own conventions together.
Lets try this conversation another way: I have been the last person to majorly edit "The D.E.N.N.I.S. System". What do you not like about it? Like about it? Think we could tweak a bit?
Also, let me clarify my viewpoint on in-universe vs. out-of-universe: I want to help this wiki's community create articles that are entertaining and informative to other Sunny in Philadelphia fans. I don't think having every bit of every article be "in-universe" is the best way to accomplish that goal.
In general, I've thought your episode edits have been great. The recap addition was fantastic, thanks for that! The Gallery addition was another nice touch. The videos section will be great; hopefully Hulu keeps those up.
In terms of other changes, I noticed the Title section was taken out, the Notes section was renamed as Trivia, and the Continuity section taken out. Those have been useful sections for me on other wikis...
When I started editing, almost every single episode article was simply an infobox and a bunch of empty h2s. I consolidated "Notes", "Continuity" and "Title" into "Trivia" because I would rather have one empty section than three right next to each other. Plus, I think they can all be mentioned under Trivia.
I'm not certain what "Title" even meant.
I'm not against having those sections on the episode articles. I'm against having empty sections.
Yah I created all the initial episode pages... it was a lot of work.
I've had a lot of success starting wikis off with empty sections, and filling them in over time. But since you're against empty sections, I will work to add in bullets.
I appreciate all of your great edits, but I am a bit at a loss.
I created the wiki and built it up with a lot of work. You came in and have pretty aggressively reformatted a lot of the pages to match the Scrubs format. It hasn't really been a collaborative process. But you work for Wikia and I have been worried about pushing back. I don't want to be banned for disagreeing with you, especially after you told me that some of my practices were poor wiki practice.
Anyway, it's been my understanding that the editing and formatting process is usually pretty collaborative especially with a wiki admin. But you're staff, and so I defer to your judgement. Would love to hear how best to work together moving forward. Thanks...
Yes, wikis are supposed to be collaborative and I want to work with you to create a informative, useful, and funny wiki devoted to Sunny. We should work together to create outlines of how character and episode articles should be formatted.
When I started editing for Season Seven, you weren't super active so I used some of the most effective techniques that I learned from editing Scrubs. I have been trying to implement better SEO practices, as well as making incomplete pages less intimidating to visitors.
Again, the only reason I was being so aggressive here was because I didn't see you online very much. Hope to see you around more!
I agree, more of a collaborative process should occur. We can set up days to discuss matters in chat, or a different way if time differences are an issue. I think a compromise can be struck between your points of view.
One point of confusion for me. You seem to have admin powers, and have been doing a lot of work on the structure of the pages. Are all Wikia employees automatically admins?
Regarding techniques, I look forward to learning from your Scrubs techniques! :-) I've been using a lot of the techniques I learned from editing the Smallville wiki. We had a lot of success using SEO techniques to drive rankings. We ranked all our main character pages in the first-fifth keyword slot on Google. I've also done a lot of profiling of MediaWiki software around the use of templates for character names, and haven't seen the sort of slowness you alluded to on my talk page. Happy to discuss further though.
I've been thinking about what made me so uncomfortable... I guess I always thought that people had to apply to become an admin. I knew that Wikia employees had admin powers to fight spam and resolve disputes, but I didn't realize that Wikia employees could automatically claim adminship over a wiki without checking in with the existing admins.
That said, you obviously make great edits and I would love to just move on from here.
I'll open a new thread on your wall, and maybe we can work through the various policy decisions so that we can start to co-admin this wiki! Thanks for bearing with me. :-)
No, like a marathon or at least an episode on DVD that we can all say when to meet up and watch it at the same time. Like the Christmas special around Christmas?
